Chief Counsel for the American Center for Law and
Justice, Jay Sekulow, is with us. Well, Jay is here, but where is the
ACLU, where is Barry Lynn and People for the American Way? They are so
intent on suppressing ChristianityÖ
JAY SEKULOW: Can you imagine if you had a mandatory service
where the assignment was "Youíre all going to be Christians
through this course," everybody would be up in arms. Here's an
interesting dynamic on this. The ACLU said nothing. The People for the
American Way have said nothing. But after we issued some statements,
Barry Lynn's office [Americans United for Separation of Church and State]
did send a letter out to the school district saying they thought they
had crossed the line. So Barry Lynn is actually supporting our position,
which is unusual.
You did have a mandatory religious worship service here, thereís
no doubt about that. And these students not only take a Muslim name,
itís a persona, and they pray to "Allah the Magnificent,"
"Allah the Creator." This wasnít just teaching about
religion here, these were actual worship services.
ROBERTSON: They are teaching these kids something wrong as well.
They say that Allah is the same as the Christian God. That is bologna,
he's not! There are vast differences between what Mohammed taught and
what Jesus taught. Itís nonsense!
SEKULOW: Well, I made the argument that this school district
has successfully offended Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Muslims don't
believe the same things that Jews and Christians do, and Jews and Christians
certainly donít follow the teachings of Islam. And this course
makes these assumptions as part of its course material saying it is
the same God, itís monotheistic and therefore everything is the
same. But even reading the Koran you would know it is not. Thatís
the reality of the situation.
However, the difficulty, the danger is this part of the curriculum,
this issue of teaching about various religions, comparative religion
courses, which are common in schools throughout the country. But California
in the way it is has interpreted this went way too far. It doesnít
just teach about, "Hereís what these religions believe,"
it requires a participation in a religious worship service. You have
kids dressed in Muslim garb, carrying Muslim names, and praying in the
name of "Allah the Magnificent," "Allah the Compassionate."
Now if you had a Christian worship service in the public schoolsÖ
first of all, it would never happen in California, or anywhere else
for that matter, but in that context, we wouldnít want it. You
shouldnít have mandatory, forced worship service. But that's exactly
what you have here. And this opt out idea, which is a great concept
and is legally required, the problem is you don't know about it until
itís complete or the course is well underway. That's the problem
with opting out.
ROBERTSON: And people say, "Well, I am not threatened by
it." The trouble is, we have got a virulent group of probably 150
million Muslims who are fanatic, and if you read the Koran, it says
if you see an infidel and if he won't convert or give alms, then kill
him. That's what it teaches. Thatís what the jihad is all about.
But weíre sanitizing that religion to make it acceptable, our President
has said it is a peaceful religion. It is no such thing.
SEKULOW: Well, here youíve got a situation where, not only
do the students learn about what jihad is, they actually participate
in their own jihad. Part of the course material is participating in
your own jihad, that's part of how they teach them. Which is just outrageous.
ROBERTSON: Thatís taking the defense away from America
though, because we are under attack by these terrorists, our President
has declared war on terrorism. And the terrorists are all of Muslim
faith, every single one of them are. And they are attacking America
and trying to kill people in the World Trade Center and we are teaching
our little children that jihads are cool and this is something to participate
in. Thatís outrageous!
SEKULOW: We notified not only the school board, but also the
state attorney general in California and the governor that this statute
and the way it is being interpreted ó because thatís how theyíre
coming up with these courses ó is being complied with in the wrong
way and is violating not only church and state separation but other
principles of the Constitution. And it is mandatory. These students
are learning that this kind of behavior is normative. And itís
not a comparative religion course, comparative religion courses are
fine, but this is not. Itís being taught as normative and thatís
ROBERTSON: They could say: Christianity says that its founder
Jesus Christ was indeed the messiah, the son of God. They can say: Islam
teaches that Allah is so and so, or Islam teaches that Mohammed is a
prophet of God. But they didnít say it that way. They say he is!
SEKULOW: That's right. They taught this as fact not just religious
dogma from a particular religious faith. And the interesting thing here
is the reaction across the country. It has been outrage. I have never
seen an issue take on such a life so quickly. The country knows what
is at stake here and the war we are engaged in and that Islamic fundamentalists
brought this on our country. And they also realize that whatís
going on in the school is political correctness run amuck, and the problem
with it is our children are learning it as normative.
We are taking all legal actions right now, weíre looking at all
the options. What we are hoping to do is get the state of California
legislature to put a stop to it now and stop it in its tracks.
ROBERTSON: I am glad you are with it. Ladies and gentlemen,
arenít you just appalled? Why can't these people open their eyes
to what is happening in the world and respond to it? Thatís what
is so incredible to me.
SEKULOW: Youíd think that after all this time they would.
But the most dangerous thing, and this is what youíve said, and
we need to reiterate it, itís because they teach it as if itís
normative. A lot of kids are not complaining because the teachers tell
them, "This is what we teach and this is how we teach it."
So this parental opt out idea is wonderful but itís too little,
ROBERTSON: Here we go again, ladies and gentlemen. I mean, it
seems to be no end of what is being done in schools in this country
to harm our children. And with all of the wonderful teachers and people
trying so hard and working so hard to teach children the right way,
math and science and computers and all of the rest of it, this kind
of political correctness drives you up the wall. You wonder if it will
ever stop. And California always seems to be the one that leads the
SEKULOW: Unfortunately you are right. Hopefully we will get
it stopped right there in Byron, California and stop it there.